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I agree - bringing up the weak links bring up just about any movement. Louis Simmons makes the same point. Although he also mentions that bar speed is also important. If the bar is moving fast enough, then there won't be a sticking point. Kenneth has a number of exercises targeted to address each of the various sticking points.

All that said, I'm not interested in rapidly increasing my pressing strength, only because it takes time for the joints and connective tissues to get used to the loads. At least that's what I have experienced. There have been times when I have blasted forward, and the muscles were able to handle it, but the shoulder joint was not happy about it.

Push press? I do a lot of connective tissue work and have been supporting weights in the bottom and top of the press positions. I can support over 315lbs in the bottom position, but a 100lbs dumbbell in the racked position still feels heavy... probably the unilateral vs bilateral load and the change of angle in the forearm. Just an fyi, from my training, if that's been something that you've been considering.

I can do 100+ both arms. I'm not sure what my max is exactly. The biggest I have ever done strict is 100 but it was not a max. I have also done a 100 kettle bell strict for reps no problem. I don't consider any of this even close to world class or anything but if anyone was interested in a video I'll bring my camera to the gym shoulder day this week and upload whatever I get.

Adam Glass is a board member who came to mind right away when I read this topic. I'm sure you've probably already seen his one arm pressing vids.

a video sounds great!

Somebody should experiment, but it's known that bent pressing a barbell is easier than bent pressing a dumbbell.

Does this remain true for strict pressing? I don't know.

Is it really easier to bent press a barbell than a dumbbell? I thought stabilizers would be going off like crazy with barbell.

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I agree with Wayne. I don't consider a 100# press world class (at least for +200# guys). One look at my physique pretty much confirms that it's not. :grin:

I think the 106# kb press was a good marketing ploy, but I think there's a lot of folks with much greater potential. I'm also amazed at the guys like Paul McIlroy that can push press, side press, etc. a huge amount of weight relative to their bodyweight. Paul is crazy with some of his stuff.

That's a good question about the barbell. I tried that almost 2 years ago, but haven't tried it since. Something to try this weekend I guess.

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I agree with Wayne. I don't consider a 100# press world class (at least for +200# guys). One look at my physique pretty much confirms that it's not. :grin:

Maybe not ''world class'' but definitely not average! Those were some strong presses there Groundskeeper Willy :rock

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Tommy, for someone who doesn't regularly train that movement - that is an incredible lift! That's like half your bodyweight?!?!!

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for some reason, i thought id get atleast 100lb DB in semi strict fashion.. but as much trouble as i had with this 90lb DB today, it looks like im gonna have to put in some work to get 100 pounder. i tried this 90lb DB like 3 or 4 times today, and i either didnt get it without a slight leg drive, or couldnt get it at all.. then out of nowhere i got the 2 reps. crazy. anyways here is my lift of a 90lb DB. http://youtu.be/VE9bvsCxJEs

While knees were locked and that is most definitely strong, the starting position was high... look at the position of the elbow joint at the beginning of the press.

I agree with Wayne. I don't consider a 100# press world class (at least for +200# guys). One look at my physique pretty much confirms that it's not. :grin:

I think the 106# kb press was a good marketing ploy, but I think there's a lot of folks with much greater potential. I'm also amazed at the guys like Paul McIlroy that can push press, side press, etc. a huge amount of weight relative to their bodyweight. Paul is crazy with some of his stuff.

That's a good question about the barbell. I tried that almost 2 years ago, but haven't tried it since. Something to try this weekend I guess.

Not world class... but stronger than most of the world :P

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for some reason, i thought id get atleast 100lb DB in semi strict fashion.. but as much trouble as i had with this 90lb DB today, it looks like im gonna have to put in some work to get 100 pounder. i tried this 90lb DB like 3 or 4 times today, and i either didnt get it without a slight leg drive, or couldnt get it at all.. then out of nowhere i got the 2 reps. crazy. anyways here is my lift of a 90lb DB. http://youtu.be/VE9bvsCxJEs

that garage looks familiar, reminds me of the one from Texas garage crew
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I've done BUP's in the past with 90#. I tried an 88# Ader for a strict BUP on Sunday after the seminar/workshop but I couldn't press it out. Gassed by that point but I could clean it and hold it fairly easily.

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for some reason, i thought id get atleast 100lb DB in semi strict fashion.. but as much trouble as i had with this 90lb DB today, it looks like im gonna have to put in some work to get 100 pounder. i tried this 90lb DB like 3 or 4 times today, and i either didnt get it without a slight leg drive, or couldnt get it at all.. then out of nowhere i got the 2 reps. crazy. anyways here is my lift of a 90lb DB. http://youtu.be/VE9bvsCxJEs

While knees were locked and that is most definitely strong, the starting position was high... look at the position of the elbow joint at the beginning of the press.

When he removes his left hand from the weight the dumbbell is still touching his right shoulder. I don't understand how that isn't legit. Could you explain the starting position rules. Reason why I'm asking is I'm going to try this in a couple days. It's your thread so I'll go by your rules.

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I don't have a horse in the race, but I know that the starting position of a dumbbell press has been a point of debate in the past for some - I was reading some of the controversy for the rule book around this lift on the http://www.usawa.com site last year. I think their rule book states that the handle has to start below the clavicle, and some were questioning the bio-mechanical soundness of such a start. I'm pretty sure I don't start with the handle below the clavicle. When I used to do behind the neck barbell presses, that would obviously force a much higher start & shorter range of motion. With the dumbbell, there's a few more possibilities for where one defines the start.

Found the USAWA article I was referring to:

http://www.usawa.com/the-10-worst-lifts-in-the-usawa/

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for some reason, i thought id get atleast 100lb DB in semi strict fashion.. but as much trouble as i had with this 90lb DB today, it looks like im gonna have to put in some work to get 100 pounder. i tried this 90lb DB like 3 or 4 times today, and i either didnt get it without a slight leg drive, or couldnt get it at all.. then out of nowhere i got the 2 reps. crazy. anyways here is my lift of a 90lb DB. http://youtu.be/VE9bvsCxJEs

While knees were locked and that is most definitely strong, the starting position was high... look at the position of the elbow joint at the beginning of the press.

When he removes his left hand from the weight the dumbbell is still touching his right shoulder. I don't understand how that isn't legit. Could you explain the starting position rules. Reason why I'm asking is I'm going to try this in a couple days. It's your thread so I'll go by your rules.

The upper arm should be sitting on the lat at the initial portion of the lift, the lift isn't complete until the elbow is fully locked out. No leg drive is acceptable. A slight lean is acceptable unless you have a monster sized bell that prevents you from keeping an upright torso, otherwise excessive lean is not permittable.

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110 lefty and 120 righty. I did use a little leg drive just to lock out the 120 with my lefty off camera and even with leg drive my left just felt off today. Righty on the other hand I went 130 after 120 and missed but I really think I can get that with better planned attempts and more fresh. I did these lifts after heavy seated military press and worked up to 300 for a single. I might try it again next week fresh if I feel good. Did some reps with the 100 kettle bell after for the hell of it. That's the biggest kb we have. You can see my lefty actually looks better with the kettle bell which I think is because my righty was tired from doing too many singles.

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for some reason, i thought id get atleast 100lb DB in semi strict fashion.. but as much trouble as i had with this 90lb DB today, it looks like im gonna have to put in some work to get 100 pounder. i tried this 90lb DB like 3 or 4 times today, and i either didnt get it without a slight leg drive, or couldnt get it at all.. then out of nowhere i got the 2 reps. crazy. anyways here is my lift of a 90lb DB. http://youtu.be/VE9bvsCxJEs

that garage looks familiar, reminds me of the one from Texas garage crew

Parris, Tommy trains with Eric Milfeld often...

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Wayne, that is some impressive stuff. Nice work.

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Wayne, that is some impressive stuff. Nice work.

Thanks. We all know you can smash 100+ are you gonna chime in with a vid? I remember watching a vid of you double pressing two 100's standing for reps if I'm not mistaken.

110 lefty and 120 righty. I did use a little leg drive just to lock out the 120 with my lefty off camera and even with leg drive my left just felt off today. Righty on the other hand I went 130 after 120 and missed but I really think I can get that with better planned attempts and more fresh. I did these lifts after heavy seated military press and worked up to 300 for a single. I might try it again next week fresh if I feel good. Did some reps with the 100 kettle bell after for the hell of it. That's the biggest kb we have. You can see my lefty actually looks better with the kettle bell which I think is because my righty was tired from doing too many singles.

:blink dayuum!

Word.

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That's some fine pressin' right there!!! Nice job Wayne!!!

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Yes, top notch pressin', Wayne!

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Thank you Willie, Zoidberg and Eric :)

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Wayne, that was some very nice pressing. Also, the strictest video posted yet. There is a fine line between a Press and a "Bent Press" folks. If your torso has to lean WAY OVER to one side to complete the press, is it really a "strict shoulder press"? When I ask myself this, the answer is a resounding no.

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Wayne, that is some impressive stuff. Nice work.

Thanks. We all know you can smash 100+ are you gonna chime in with a vid? I remember watching a vid of you double pressing two 100's standing for reps if I'm not mistaken.

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110 lefty and 120 righty. I did use a little leg drive just to lock out the 120 with my lefty off camera and even with leg drive my left just felt off today. Righty on the other hand I went 130 after 120 and missed but I really think I can get that with better planned attempts and more fresh. I did these lifts after heavy seated military press and worked up to 300 for a single. I might try it again next week fresh if I feel good. Did some reps with the 100 kettle bell after for the hell of it. That's the biggest kb we have. You can see my lefty actually looks better with the kettle bell which I think is because my righty was tired from doing too many singles.

:blink dayuum!

Word.

Yes, I am going to try this. It was posted after my shoulder workout, so i did not get a chance to try it yet. Possibly tonight prior to my Chain Jog.

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Wayne, that was some very nice pressing. Also, the strictest video posted yet. There is a fine line between a Press and a "Bent Press" folks. If your torso has to lean WAY OVER to one side to complete the press, is it really a "strict shoulder press"? When I ask myself this, the answer is a resounding no.

i may have missed a post, but who exactly has submitted a "bent press"?

wondering the same thing

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Wayne, that was some very nice pressing. Also, the strictest video posted yet. There is a fine line between a Press and a "Bent Press" folks. If your torso has to lean WAY OVER to one side to complete the press, is it really a "strict shoulder press"? When I ask myself this, the answer is a resounding no.

Thanks, dude. I appreciate the comment but I think the ''fine line'' part was a bit of an exaggeration don't you think? There's a pretty big difference between a little lean and a bent press. It's almost impossible not to lean a little bit when you have all that weight on one side. I don't think any of the submitted vids in this thread are guilty of excessive lean.

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http://youtu.be/usOVge3cmx8

Tried this yesterday. Shoulders felt like garbage, especially acromions from doing two pressing workouts in the same 7-day period. I think i can get my 110 when I am not feeling so beat up. I realize I leaned back a bit, so if it doesn't count, no problem.

Video is still currently uploading, at the time of posting.

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Nice work Jedd!!! You are looking jacked!

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