nightowl27 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Hi guys, got a question on the basics of training. i also do other work for pressing movements and so on but i never train to failure or complete exhaustion. i train singles with 70% of what is possible and adding weight every three or four days depending in the exercise.withthis routine(from steve justa) i´m driving very good. do you think it´s also possible with grip training this way or do you prefer less training days but more exhaustion? greetings,nightowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoolDrew Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 After failing my deadlift attempts twice in a row recently due to lacking grip I figured it's time to start taking grip more seriously. So thanks for posting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbo4muscle Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Im a newbie AW and will move right into your program, but for how long before starting to use grippers? I know a few AW, including females, who started with grippers the day they started to AW, and none have had any problems whatsoever... One of the them actually started out using the #1 coc I just bought the #1 and #1,5 coc myself... I reaaly want to start using them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 I would run the programme for 12-16 weeks, which is basically what I do for all of my progs. But these exercises can be used at anytime in your life. I still use them now. Re. Armwrestling. There are many exerices that are going to be more beneficial to you than grippers. I mean it. Elizabeth came 3rd in the A/W World's in Poland in 2001 when she was 17, and really she only just did some playing with the grippers. Her main grip work was not with grippers. As many are finding, including the strongmen, grippers are good for grippers, not for overall hand strength. So if you want to be good at grippers, train on grippers. Hope this helps, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'll just add that the only time I found ANY crossover to other exercises from using grippers was with Credit Card Set training! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbo4muscle Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) I'll just add that the only time I found ANY crossover to other exercises from using grippers was with Credit Card Set training! Sorry, but credit card set training...? Length or width? Thanks for previous respons PS! How is this Elisabeth you are refering to and is their any difference in the way men and women train or should train for AW? Edited October 9, 2007 by pbo4muscle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Credit card set training is starting each rep with a credit card width between the handles of the gripper. IronMind rules. Check for videos here or on youtube Elizabeth is Elizabeth Horne, but was called Elizabeth Talbot then. She armwrestled Vika Gabakova in that championship. Results here http://www.armwrestling.com/WAF2001F.html check Ladies Left 80+ KG class No difference how a woman trains to a man. She trains as hard as me. I've seen her pass out whilst training. David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nockowt1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 What do you do in between cycles of this program? Do you just start over with heavier weights or is there a rest period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 After 12-16 weeks you should know what you want to do next. So then you can specialize in that certain area. But always remember to keep your other training all-round. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbo4muscle Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) Credit card set training is starting each rep with a credit card width between the handles of the gripper. IronMind rules. Check for videos here or on youtubeElizabeth is Elizabeth Horne, but was called Elizabeth Talbot then. She armwrestled Vika Gabakova in that championship. Results here http://www.armwrestling.com/WAF2001F.html check Ladies Left 80+ KG class No difference how a woman trains to a man. She trains as hard as me. I've seen her pass out whilst training. David Thanks again David! I take you cc setting to heart... Actually have a friend who only does short reps, like 1,5 cm, arguing this is the togh part... ? Expect my coc tomorrow and will play around with different setting to how it feels, but its AW, not grippers, I want to be good at. But your wife, Elisabeth yes, is pretty damn strong at grippers for just have been playing around with them at 17... Maybe inspired by you Edited October 10, 2007 by pbo4muscle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absno Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Thanks David! I started with a CoC only and luckily I haven't gotten hurt. I will switch to your routine tonight and let the gripper gather dust for a while. I am thinking after my 5x5 routine. Is this your recommendation/preference or should I do this routine on my off days for lifting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 You can do it on your off days. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip916 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Probably already been answered in this long thread but... If I am doing regular lifting too but want to work on my grip should I do grip before or after my regular workout? I would think doing it before would hinder my clean/deadlift ability... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Do it where you feel it is best. I can do grip first and have no problem for any lifts after, unless I do a vast amount of workload. But if I did I'd change it. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthcarl Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I find that the curls can tire my forearms to the point where other lifts are difficult, so I do it at the end of a workout. This may not be an issue if you're better conditioned than I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputycox Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 David and others, thanks for all the great info posted here! I've been using grippers as part of my grip training off and on for a couple of years (finally back on the grip wagon firmly now) and always close from either a no set or cc set (can close a 1.5, working on a 2). I find the pinky finger pad gets a bit torn up when doing any reps above 5 or so unless the gripper is taped. Just curious if this is normal or not - do I just need to toughen them up more, or do a lot of folks tape their grippers? Any suggestions on using dexterity balls not covered in John Brookfields booklet? Duration of exercises, etc. I use the large IM ones, about 1.2lbs ea. Again, thanks so much for all the great info. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Horne Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 I have never used dexterity balls so I can't really answer this. Regarding your skin getting torn up on the grippers, the skin will get used to it, and if it doesn't then do what it needs to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I find the pinky finger pad gets a bit torn up when doing any reps above 5 or so unless the gripper is taped.Don't tape the gripper, tape the problem area on the finger, start with several layers of tape, and as the skin toughens up, use less and less tape. Try rubbing salt water into the tender areas as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputycox Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 David and twig, thanks for the advice. I'll see how it goes Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessThanLuke Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hey total newbie to grip training here. Was going to buy some CoC grippers but will be starting this program straight away now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bango Skank Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Wow, great thread! Wish I had seen it before I ordered my CoC Trainer yesterday, lol. But since I already did, can I just alternate the 3x20 finger curls for 3 sets of 20 with the CoC (or if my max is less, for however many I can squeeze out)? On another beginner grip training thread I read (on a different forum) said just to carry the gripper around with you and bust out sets whenever possible. Actually, I can just quote it, "Take the gripper with you where ever you go and do over 100-200 closes throughout the day, everyday for a week or two then take 2 days off or as long as it takes for your hands to heal and you'll find that your grip strength has grown by leaps and bounds, then redo it with a higher strength gripper. As a beginner the #1 goal isn't to find your max and work with it, it's to increase the strength and durability of the tendons in your hand then work from there." Any thoughts? One last question. Are CoC's only good for training CoC's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 If you mean does closing grippers have any carryover to other grip exercises, then not really; closing grippers is only good for closing grippers. Blockweights have a lot of carry over to other areas of grip, although they won't help with the final crushdown, the only thing that helps with the last few mm of a close is closing grippers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 If you mean does closing grippers have any carryover to other grip exercises, then not really; closing grippers is only good for closing grippers. Blockweights have a lot of carry over to other areas of grip, although they won't help with the final crushdown, the only thing that helps with the last few mm of a close is closing grippers. Grippers are a very good and probably the easiest way to condition your hand/forearm tendon strength, which will in turn have a very strong carry over to any other hand strength endeavour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Yep, I will also have to say that I've experienced gains on other exercises as well doing just grippers. They just don't build up the thumb strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Jett Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 How does one perform a finger curl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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